MMS Testimonials - the sequel

Опубликовано: 17 май 2012
I chose to examine the Genesis2Church forums precisely because it is run by demonstrably "pro Jim Humble" administrators and moderators, it is NOT a "neutral" forum in the least. Therefore it should be the source with the most and the strongest user testimonials. I already made a video about the lasrgest site on the internet, facebook and I was going to make a video about youtube. SOME MMS supporters think that even THOSE sites suffer from 'censorship', well it can NOT BE ARGUED that G2C forum suffers from cencorship, EXCEPT for the censorship of opposing opinion, there is no forum which is a more fertile ground for supporters of MMS, which is why it made the perfect target for examination.
I could also make videos about netmedtalk and health salon, but if anything, I would expect them to fare worse. Having a quick look, health salon appears to have about 19 testimonials since 2007, that's fewer then 4 a year. Do you want me to make a video evaluating them? After that do I have to evaluate EVERY single site that mentions MMS, or will you start to see a pattern after a while?
Yes I could ALSO look up this yahoo group, but again, I see no reason to think it would be more authoritative then the primary MMS forum at genesis2church. The administrators of G2C have copied AT BEST just a couple of positive testimonials from there, that is called CHERRY PICKING. There are no doubt ALSO a great deal of people in that group who ask questions but do NOT return to report positive results, and also users who do report no success with MMS, but those obviously get ignored by the administrators. It's actually called the fallacy of anecdotal evidence PRECISELY for this reason. IGNORING a large portion of the data because it doesn't "fit" your beliefs is not how you find out the truth of a matter, it's how you remain blisfully ignorant.
Whatever your excuses, I'm not trying to prove there are NO testimonials, or just a FEW, I'm proving there aren't THOUSANDS, which is what Jim Humble claims and many of his supporters repeat. If MMS was curing millions of people like Jim claims, we would expect to see THOUSANDS of testimonials online (a thousand is just 0.1% of a million). But if MMS was a SCAM we would expect to see a just FEW testimonials which can be explained by "anomalies", things like placebo effect, wishful thinking, inaccurate test results, etc, those effects DO result in a spattering of testimonials, not just for MMS, but for just about ANY and EVERY quack scam that has ever existed. So which best fits the evidence? I think it's clear it is the latter not the former.. More info can be found at sites.google.com/site/mmsdebunked/

Комментарии

  • This is easily the saddest attempt to debunk MMS i have ever seen... pathetic is a good word too

  • You are RIGHT!!!! THIS SOLUTION IS FUCKING SHIIIIIIIIIIIT. I TRIED IT. WONT EVER AGAIN. THANK GOD I COULD STOP BEFORE ITS TOO LATE.

  • You dont see Facebook testimonials because they are censored. Just like political things they dont agree with. Facebook receives money from pharmaceutical companies for advertising (provably) as does cable networks. Jim Humble does not sell mms. Only books on self healing using it. The reason a church was formed (not to be propaganda) was to protect the freedom to tell people about mms. Would you be so kind as to try mms for a specific ailment and then go about "debunking".

    • i started this journey ten years ago when someone very closely related to me tried MMS and it didn't work. After 10 years my stance has not changed, i still have not seen any compelling evidence to suggest MMS is not a massive snake oil scam. Jim Humber might not sell MMS directly, but he DOES receive "donations" from everyone who attends MMS seminars globally (collected by his bishops and minsters) which cost several hundred dollars per day to attend by the way, he's doing alright out of it..

  • Whatever you are saying in this video are just nonsense coz I tried it and cure myself of lung infection which was proved by lab test.

    • @Mms debunked Man u cant be so stupid not to factor in censorship over the internet.. PROPAGANDA as well .. I mean that fact big pharma goes after him and mms shows you its something.. or why the hell would they care to make propaganda videos about mms... Its criminal to sell poison.. but mms scientifically and chemically is not poison.. they know that so all big pharma can do is create propaganda clips... oh and ONE story of an unconfirmed death by mms.. Unconfirmed.. Look into what rat poison is made of and what pills r mafe with it that people actually get prescribed.. When big pharma pays out hundreds of millions to peolple in lawsuits.. thats confirmation of wrong doing u dumb moron.. Ur like a kid trying to reason why they hate vegetables and that veggitables are bad for u lol... So so sad and pathetic.. all these comments r u talkibg to yourself lol.. Retard

    • So you think pneumonia is the only infection of the lung you are wrong I was having a chronic infection of lung which pharmaceutical drug was not able to cure even after a course of four months I got fed up stopped taking it but mms cure it in a week lol

    • Pneumonia is a treatable illness that is even possible for your body to resolve on its own.... This video is now 6 years old, where are the people who have been cured of HIV ? I'm still waiting..

  • Bunch of people who have been dropped on the head as a baby on purpose in the comment section. MMS( type of bleach) does kill cancer cells on Petri dishes but it also kills healthy cells and there are many cases of parents forcing kids to take mms and you have the children having these side effects such as vomiting.

  • jerk off, you didn't debunk anything you just cry louder ... and MMS works ...

  • I gave it to someone for Herpes and it cured them...ijs I also gave to another person who had an abscess, it fixed the abscess in 3 days!

  • Actually, when you know what this stuff _is_, then it _does_ take someone really fucking stupid to even try it.

  • Isn't it odd that the only people posting are just a few rabid supporters? They post relentlessly and repeat the same misinformation over and over even after links are provided falsifying their assertions. They deliberately miss the point about the absence of testimonials and continue to claim thousands of cures and point to testimonials... that aren't there even on their own content controlled websites.

    • @***** And if you like testimonials, don't miss this one. www.latitude38.com/letters/200910.html about a man who had to watch his wife die of slow suffocation over 12 hours due to a single dose of MMS.

    • @***** Yes, Cupcake... Chlorine dioxide is very safe to use to wipe down your countertops, bleach your laundry, even rinse your fruits and some types of veggies... Just as lye is safe to use to unclog a drain... insecticide is safe to use to prevent your garden from being eaten by bugs, and gasoline is safe to burn in your auto engine. None of them however is safe as a beverage.

    • @***** I'm actually glad to see MMS scammer getting arrested, charged, and tried in a court of law. What was the award for the British group again? 10 million pounds sterling? The 4 awaiting trial on federal mail fraud and money laundering charges in the US... Jim Humble in hiding. Kerri Rivera evading US authorities for similar charges as well as injury to children. Why is it that all of the MMS scammers feel like it is the rest of the world that should be locked up when the MMS scammers are the one's defrauding and damaging the weak and gullible?

    • @***** Are they? Can they be honest when making claims to truth without objective evidence? Why are the MMS testimonials on the MMS wiki site almost exclusively posted by the forum moderators? Why is that in any way anything but grossly dishonest?

    • @***** A testimonial fabricated and posted by an MMS scammer... because when all it takes is a story with no actual clinical evidence, you can claim anything you like... especially things that encourage sick people to buy your magic snake oil.

  • I cured a cold in 10 days... with hot tea and 2 boxes of kleenex. It's a freakin miracle.

  • To all the hundreds of thousands cured hiv patients out there, don´t be to shy, you can join Timothy Ray Brown.. haha

  • Secondly, "what's the harm done?" Like you said yourself: Jim has something to sell, I believe he is a liar and a scammer: he didn't cure 100,000 people in Africa and he hasn't cured anyone of HIV. He should be in jail for what he is doing! I'm sorry but I'm not comfortable just letting people like him loose on our society so he can make millions by taking advantage of the sick and unfortunate. That's the harm. I know making videos and websites is not much, but it's better then doing nothing,

  • Hi Jon. That's why I didn't look for people who "doubt even the obvious" to make this video, did you watch it? I did precisely the opposite: I went straight to the source of the most loyal MMS supporters on the internet, these are the members of Jim Humble's Genesis2Church forums. This forum is moderated by Jim's own hand picked "ministers" and it is NOT an open forum, you can't just join, you have to be "vetted" by a moderator, and if you post dissenting opinion you will get banned.

  • I'll give you some feedback. Keeping in mind I really have no 'side' or position concerning the product you are debunking. What if it does work, only not for people who continually doubt even the obvious? What if, just because people think it works, it works? And where's the harm done? Is there death from this stuff or disease? Then why interfere? Cancer, for example, exists only because a person believes they are subsceptible. You probly don't believe that, but I don't have cancer. Ever. :]s

  • Of course there are: Canadian, Australian, British and American health agencies have all issued a release specifically about MMS. There are also many alternative health websites speaking against it: gaia-health, healthwyze, trance-health, wariscrime, sign of the times dot net have all also written criticizing MMS and/or Jim Humble. Of course you can dismiss them ALL as not "respectable", but then show me the OTHER side? Where is ANY respectable source that supports MMS?

  • I saw you said, "you cant use Jim as a source to confirm Jims own claims", in one of your replies in the comment section below. Doesnt this same paradox apply to your personal perspective on this subject? Are there any other respectable minds or sources that support your perspective?

  • MMS (chlorine dioxide) destroys cells by denaturing the proteins in the cell.That's what it does.It denatures.MMS proponents often quote a statement from the chemical manufacturers web site that claims their product CLO2 is SELECTIVE. MMS people misinterperate this to mean it only destroys bad cells What's really meant is that CLO2 is selective in the inorganic sense.That is, that it can be safely used on different inorganic surfaces without damaging it.Nowhere do they talk about ingesting it.

  • The whole premise is flawed. Jim claims that "bad" bacteria are anaerobic and "good" bacteria are aerobic but this is totally wrong. 99% of the normal healthy bacteria in your stomach are anaerobic. one of them is e.coli, the same bacteria that is responsible for a lot of food poisoning. It's good in one place, bad in another. Shigella flexneri thrives in oxygen and is responsible for dysentery and diarrhea.Googly my page MMS debunked and read the page "MMS Scam" for more details.

  • OK, someone who is for MMS claimed that it does not kill any good bacteria. That it doesn't have the "charge" for it. I thought that was a very interesting claim. If it turns out to be true great. If not, obviously it calls into question anything else they might say about it and that they don't necessarily know what they are talking about. I guess I can't just take another youtubers word for it though. I pretty much would have to get a microscope and test it to know for sure I guess...

  • I don't have specific education or employment in the health or pharma fields, if that's what you mean.. I'm very interested in science and critical thinking and want to be an advocate of those ideas. I totally believe that MMS doesn't do what Jim claims it does and I think it's obvious once you stop taking Jim's word for it and scratch even a little below the surface. I further think people are being taken advantage of, especially sick and desperate people and I think it's terrible.

  • whats your background mmsfraud?

  • You are talking about 2 different things, this video is MOST CERTAINLY about the testimonials gathered on the g2c forum, it even has a section specifically called "testimonials". These appear to be mostly written by genuine people who are members of the forum. The OTHER section you are talking about and accusing me of ignoring is the testimonials page on the main site, those don't count, they come directly from the big Humble man himself. You can't use Jim as a source to confirm Jim's own claims

  • Herx reaction manifests as fever, chills, rigor, hypotension, headache, tachycardia, hyperventilation, vasodilation with flushing , myalgia (muscle pain), and exacerbation of skin lesions. Vomiting and diahrea are NOT classical symptoms of herx reaction, those are classical symptoms of poisoning!

  • There is no assumption, it's the very definition of the word! If it worked "inside" it would be an antibiotic, not a disinfectant. Look it up.. You don't see anyone reporting getting sick? Very many of the 'real' testimonials I've read report getting sick, the problem is Jim Humble has people fooled that vomiting and diahrea is somehow not "sick". And don't give me that Herxheimer BS, look up what herxheimer reaction actually is and see if it matches what Jim claims or what people experience.

  • You are correct, it does NOT disprove it, I didn't say it did, but when that's the ONLY kind of testimonials you find on a regular basis, you start to see the pattern. WHY are there so many testimonials about people curing topical skin diseases, but barely ANY about "internal matters" especially 'serious' ones? And most people do NOT come back to say so, you can see that for yourself, I'm not ignoring anything.

  • I looked up cancer support forums for CHEMO testimonials, that is a CRITICAL difference, I did NOT look up "chemo testimonials". Michael's "yahoo" group has only 333 members! Compare that to the 1500 members of g2c forums!! THAT'S why i'm not looking it up! There is NO reason to think the yahoo group would be any "better". g2c should be the most authoritative MMS forum, I've demonstrated the quality of the testimonials there with this video.

  • Are you KIDDING?!? Where is a MORE active support group for MMS then g2c forums? That site has over 1500 REGISTERED USERS, and there are 391 "guests" on that site right now! There is NO more active support group for MMS. That's precisely why I chose to analyse it! Opposing views are censored, everyone does their absolute best to be supportive and encouraging, there is simply no other place on the whole internet which is a more fertile ground for MMS user testimonials!

  • that would make FOUR decent testimonials in ONE MONTH, currently, there is MAYBE one HIV testimonials after nearly two years and it's not even very conclusive! IT JUST DOES NOT ADD UP, it is not reconcilable! The ONLY explanation is that Jim's claim is simply NOT TRUE.

  • The point is: EVERY source that comes directly from Jim Humble and his "ministers" shows one kind of story, but EVERY OTHER source, even the biased ones like the g2c forums, show a VERY DIFFERENT story. That's not explained by conspiracy, that's explained by cherry picking, bias and possibly fabrication. Jim claims that 390 people were cured of HIV in ONE MONTH! Even if ONLY 1% of those people got their test results and posted them on G2C forums, cont...

  • What happened to your uncle?Of course most people won't write testimonials! I've said numerous times that even if only 1 out of a 100 wrote a testimonial we should still see far more testimonials on sites like Facebook and the g2c forums. Further; who do you think is MORE likely to write a testimonial? Someone who had cancer and was told that chemo can work in 60% of those cases and they go into remission, or someone who is told their condition is incurable and they will die, but MMS cured them?

  • Besides that fact, the testimonials on the g2c site (not the forums) are very poor! Even if they weren't copied directly from the JH biz site. There is not even a DATE when they were posted, WHO posted them? where? Without that information, the whole section is next to useless, it might as well be a fairy tale. The forums on the otherhand show a different story, there you CAN see who posted and when and if they came back. When you consider that critical information, the REAL pattern emerges.

  • The "testimonials" on the g2c site look familiar, Google the 1st sentence of most (almost all) of them and you'll see where they come from. The one source which I will NOT accept as valid; jimhumble biz. That is Jim's personal site, it is of absolutely no use to go back directly to Jim Humble for verification of HIS OWN claims. But the fact that even the forums on the g2c site run by his hand picked moderators DO NOT confirm his claims is more then enough evidence that something is very wrong.

  • If I had googled "chemo testimonials" you might be right, but I didn't, I googled "cancer testimonials". Not ALL those sites are going to be run by big pharma, that's nonsense. By law of my objective thinking I examined BOTH an objective AND a NON objective site; Facebook and g2c forums. I world argue they are very good, if not among the best representatives of both categories. Facebook has the most members of any website on the planet and g2c is run by demonstrably pro MMS moderators.

  • Google cancer support forums, I had no trouble finding heaps of chemo testimonials, and not a single MMS testimonial. Google HIV support forums and guess what you'll find? People with AVR testimonials. Google Herpes support forums. There are hundreds of these sites around, do a quick browse and see how many you can find with MMS testimonials?

    • How many lawsuits is jim under.. ? How many lawsuits are big pharma under and have paid out ??

    • Wow ur not even that good of a critical thinker are you.. where are all the deaths hes cuased?? How man deaths or other diseases or neurological disorders has big pharma cuased...?? You can do to much ascorbic acid (vit c) and have nausea., dehydration and diarrhea.. Even the science checks out.. its used in drinking water.. Your pathetic and seem exremely bias. Jim holds confrences and has hundreds of people show up and give thier testimonials.. Keep taking your pills and vaccines bro... I could easily rebuttal 80% of what your trying to proof...Sad

  • I see no reason because g2c forums SHOULD be the place that has the most good testimonials, I'll repeat, why do you think yahoo would be a better place to look then facebook or g2c? It makes NO sense. Do I have to analyse every single site that mentions MMS or will you start to see the pattern developing eventually? Skin diseases don't count because you DON'T DRINK IT! Google athlete's foot and peroxide, it's a well known old home remedy, it's TOPICAL, how many times do I have to say it?

  • the point is that you do NOT drink a disinfectant, so even if it cures a skin disease, it is NOT by the way Jim claims it works. "several of the skin diseases mentioned... is "incurable" Which do you mean? I don't think that's the case,. "also i just saw a good testimonial in the latest newsletter" Newsletter written by who? Don't answer that, it's rhetorical.

  • I don't understand, this video IS about the testimonials on the genesis2church site. TheUnion5 was warned by me three times that if he didn't stop posting comments and then removing them, I would ban him. I don't have 5 forum admins to sift through all the stupid comments, go to the other video and see there's about 20 comments removed, all but one were from TheUnion5. I promote critical thinking here, not deluded spammers who argue in circles.

  • I googled "chemotherapy testimonials" and had no trouble finding thousands of testimonials.

  • I’m not trying to prove there are NO testimonials, or just a FEW, I’m proving there aren’t THOUSANDS. If MMS was curing millions of people like Jim claims, we would expect to see THOUSANDS of testimonials online (a thousand is just 0.1% of a million). But if MMS was a SCAM we would expect to see a just FEW testimonials which can be explained by "anomalies", things like placebo effect, wishful thinking, inaccurate test results, etc... So which best fits the evidence we ACTUALLY see?

  • Yes I could ALSO look up this yahoo group, but again, I see no reason to think it would be more authoritative then the primary MMS forum at G2C. The admins of G2C have copied AT BEST just a few positive testimonials from there, that is called CHERRY PICKING. There are no doubt ALSO a great deal who ask questions but do NOT return to report positive results, but those obviously get ignored by the administrators. It's actually called the fallacy of anecdotal evidence PRECISELY for this reason.

  • I could also make videos about netmedtalk and health salon, but if anything, I would expect them to fare worse. Having a quick look, health salon appears to have about 19 testimonials since 2007, that’s fewer then 4 a year. Do you want me to make a video evaluating them? Then after that, do I have to evaluate EVERY single site that mentions MMS, or will you start to see a pattern after a while?

  • I chose to examine the Genesis2Church forums precisely because it is run by "pro Jim Humble" administrators. Therefore it should be the source with the most user testimonials. Some MMS supporters think that facebook and youtube suffer from 'censorship', well it can NOT BE ARGUED that G2C forum suffers from cencorship, EXCEPT for the censorship of opposing opinion. There is no forum which is a more fertile ground for supporters of MMS, which is why it made the perfect target for examination.