The Truth About Tesla Model 3 Batteries: Part 1

Опубликовано: 3 авг 2018
Today we are going to talk about “The Truth about Tesla’s Batteries.” If you’re thinking about a Tesla, you’ve undoubtedly heard about how cheap they are to fill up, how little maintenance they require, and with recent Model 3 Production ramp ups, we’re on the verge of absolute Tesla ubiquity. But one of the questions that we believe keep potential buyers up at night, surrounds their battery packs. So we’ve compiled a list of all the questions we’ve received, and we’re going to break it down, step by step in this two part video series.
**NOTE** We incorrectly converted lbs to kgs in the costs. So Please go by the price per pound! Lithium = $7.50/lb, Nickel = $4.05 /lb, Manganese = $0.93 /lb, Cobalt = $36.50 / lb
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    • Bill A y

    • Your entire video is a fallacy giving the fact that you are an affiliate. Especially when your giving such detailed and technical information.

    • @Bill A According to lithium battery researchers 🔋 here are some facts: The Case for Lithium Lithium is a metallic salt. If you look on the periodic table you will find it top left, directly above sodium. It is only found in large concentrations in salt flats, an environment far too alkaline to support life in the first place. It is on top of sodium because it is lighter. It is also plentiful in nature. Lithium extraction, is achieved by flooding these areas with brine and then drawing it back into holding areas. As the moisture evaporates the lithium rises to the top of the surface where it can be collected and processed. The brine is repeatedly used because the more concentrated it becomes the more efficient the process is. It is fully contained to keep it pure as possible. Secondly Lithium Ion is a 50 year old invention that sat on a shelf for almost 20 years until cell phones created a need for a better battery. For decades there was hardly any research into energy storage because we had no NEED of it. That changed more than a decade ago. Almost $12 Billion was spent on R+D last year alone. The majority being spent by the big guns is going into final commercialization of solid state battery technology. It is now a proven technology across numerous chemistries and everyone and their dog is jumping on that estimated $5 trillion dollar bone. No more precious metals, No more cobalt. Why are they all chasing this one technology? Depending on chemistry this is who they stack up. 5-10 times the lifespan, 2-3 times the energy density, No toxic liquid electrolytes to hinder recycling. An estimated 60% reduction in cost to manufacture as well as a 30% reduction in weight. They can not freeze nor can they ever explode. You can cut a piece out of them while in operation and they will still function. They all show charging in under 10 minutes as well. Samsung plans on having it in phones next year and I know of 6 automotive majors saying in their cars by 2022-24. Thirdly even today's lithium Ion batteries are already proving that with today's software and thermal management system, They are capable of lasting for more than 400,000 miles in Taxis buses and other fleet applications. When you see 5000 cycles? That measurement is calculated by draining the batteries to their maximum and filling them to maximum. Filling the last 10% on a battery takes 10 times as long because of the resistance. That is what shortens the battery life. By limiting that charge below 90% the battery life is greatly extended. And even AFTER the batteries are no longer suitable for transportation uses they can be repurposed for stationary grid storage for another 10-12 years.

    • Wow I love your videos this is some of the best content ever well-produced content!!!! You deserve to be paid very well for this

  • interesting that the battery factories aren't constructed near the source for components. as Li comes from South America, it seems the batteries could be made there at lower costs. i've read pollution is a huge problem in South America cities - ergo, they'd benefit greatly from EV's.

  • Should of bought a Toyota- Scotty

  • I remember in my childhood I used Panasonic batteries to power my portable Sony Walkman cassette player. Those Panasonic batteries were good and reliable. Other batteries would die quickly, leak n all sorta hazards.

  • This video is pure trash...

  • 21700 is NOT pronounced "twenty one seventy".

  • Excellent video. Thanks

  • I'm not going to read 2,364 - and counting - comments, so this may have been noted before. There is no such word as "aircrafts". The plural of aircraft, is aircraft. Like deer, sheep, etc.

  • Where to buy 21700 Tesla panasonic battery

  • this a year old and lith ion Batts all but obsolete ..quantum glass coming on strong..

    • Umm lithium ion is used everywhere right now

  • The pounds kilos conversion thing is REALLY messed up, da Vinci dudes. It ridicules the rest of the content, which is actually pretty damn good. You should take it down and upload the correct version ASAP i.e. before we start calling you duuuugh! Vinci. Wake UP ffs ...

  • @ 5:32 the prices are almost certainly around the wrong way and the price per pound is actually that of a kilo and you can apply that to all costs quoted. I would really have to ask if they can not get a simple quote right then how much more in their videos is NOT CORRECT? Seems like this is a pro tesla vid that does not really touch on the production of the raw materials and the massive amounts of ecological damage it causes. If you want a feel good vid that glosses over real issues then you may like this, but take it all with a grain of salt because much of it is not real.

  • They use the same bats in vape mods, they DRASTICALLY lose capacity after as little as a year (and they hit them with no more than 2 amps)

    • @Two Bit da Vinci if you really believe any of that theres no helping you lmfao

    • Lot to unpack here. They don’t use the same batteries. Their formulation is different and they have a coolant loop and battery management. They will last 250k miles plus with around 10-20% degradation.

  • I think you switched "lb" and "kg".

  • My Tesla 3 is 6 months old, I drive it to work round trip 40 miles exactly but the battery drains 70 miles on average. I drive in carpool, HWY, 70 MPH, very few breaks. Is it normal?

    • @Two Bit da Vinci No AC and even no Radio. I live in California and the weather even is not extremely cold or hot. If I turn on the AC and Radio, for a 40 miles round trip, it can drain the battery up to 75 less.

    • Your car will tell you energy usage as you drive. Take a look at that. Like 250 watts / kWh is common.

    • Are you running heat or AC?

  • This video highlights the importance of editing. One little conversion error can totally undermine an otherwise well done video.

  • who gives a fuck about the conversions?

  • The truth is that they are Panasonic batteries.

    • Yah we cover all that. Consider watching RU-tv videos before commenting on them

  • YOUR calculations on the raw material prices are incorrect you quote a higher price per pound than by kilograms 1 kilogram = 2.4 pounds maybe you should check your maths

  • The only true here is that Tesla has open a door to the whole human race to say Fuc#$%^ to big oil companies and look another alternatives for transportation.......2019 we still burning fuel to go from point a to point b....................

  • Really like your channel. Just subbed!

  • How is material cheaper per kilogram while kilogram is heavier than pounds

  • Pouch battery has more surface for the same volume. Ergo, it can be better cooled.

  • To the trolls who keep pointing out the lb/kg conversion is wrong: Congrats you win the idiot lottery! What is the prize you ask? A brief dopamine rush then the return to normalcy and mediocrity! Consider for brief six seconds that your time, spent effectively, could potentially bring you life changing benefits such as more money, knowledge, and/or power! But it's okay, I know it is so hard to consider life outside the status quo. So be sure to grab another beer, smoke another bong, or rip another vape in between those sacred dopamine rushes. While you're busy googling "how dopamine works" and the "proper use of status quo and definition" I will be driving my Tesla! Best of luck!

  • SUM IT UP FOR FUCK SAKES......

  • Lithium is mined and traded in 2 forms. There are several pieces to your story that are inaccurate and you didn't answer the question that you posed..are electric cars destroying the environment?

  • Blah

  • Why do you mix imperial weight with metric. So confusing. Kg or lbs please.

  • I've always wanted a Tezzla.

  • At an energy conference in China a while ago, experts revealed that to use renewables and electric cars in large scale, 400 million tonnes of copper will need to be mined in the next 30 years. There is only a total 700 million tons of copper in the earths crust. The mining operation needed would be an environmental disaster burning gigantic amounts of diesel. Combined with the extraction of rare earth metals,nickel etc the problem is severe. By comparison mining for iron ore and aluminium is much more productive and the recycling chain is very efficient. Besides the Achates 2 stroke is close to production and reduces gasoline consumption by 60% and Diesel by 30% which makes the ICE a much better proposition in cost and efficiency of materials for markets outside of rich wankers buying EV's and not paying their road taxes.

  • graphene will change completly the technology of bateries

  • Define “long” define “great” define “ ludicrous “ ....You ace like a person who is educated on batteries but you are misleading people.

  • There's nothing zero emission..batteries worst emissions

    • you don't know what you're talking about. Even if you have a pure coal grid, for charging, EVs are still cleaner. we have videos and data to back this up: ru-tv.org/tv/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SwxmIYGpbn4.html consider getting your data from a wider set of sources

  • Your prices in Kilos are fabulous...

    • That’s why I only buy my mayo by the kg. But yah corrected prices are in the description

  • From watching this video Tesla will pollute world really fast , from chemical they use to make batteries

    • @Two Bit da Vinci what kind of chemical do u think batteries made from. .think about that a moment

    • No. Do you know how much pollution it takes to extract refine and then burn just a gallon of gasoline? Batteries will last 300k miles of 0 emissions. Plus after their life they can be recycled.

  • what about 2013-2015?

  • Tesla outsources too. Why not talk about where all the energy is going to come from to charge these batteries that are so fiercely being produced and when their short life is over how we will remove them from the environment? Send them to the Congo? This is just a mouth piece for Tesla.

  • why don't you use AAA battery format?

  • I wouldn’t site this as accurate information

  • tesla need to minimum range 450 to 500 miles and shorter time of charging, before they can beat the gas cars , my 2018 model x 100d still inconvenient when I travel in 495 mile it take 10 hours plus, I travel allot , now when I travel I take my 2009 Camry it only take 7 hours I 495 mile it only cost 70 dollar around trip

  • How can a kg be half the price of a lb when a kg weighs 2.2lb................crazy

  • Why tesla is not working on a Graphene battery like everybody else! 🤔🤔

  • I’m concerned by your lack of accuracy. The $/kg as addressed in the second video but you say Co comes from DR Congo over 60% but your own graphic shows 58% why are you making these errors?

  • Thank you for saying "aluminium", you are the only American who pronounces it properly.

    • @Two Bit da Vinci Well, what can you expect from a country that have spelling contests like something exceptional to be awarded. It is either a proof that the English language is such a mess with illogical or/and arbitrary rules to the point that it is a rarity to find someone who can spell properly with just basic education, or that the educational system is so bankrupt that they can't manage to teach children how to spell properly.

    • haha, thank you for the kind words, but we get about 10x more people bashing me for it ;)

  • Guy is a math wiz! "$40/lb is $18/kg". lol

  • Please note that the Tesla Model 3 batterypack uses the explosion-proof internally fused 21700 cells housed in a computer-controlled self-contained liquid cooling system all housed in a structurally sound enclosure. Powerwall uses the same batterypacks.

  • Tesla batteries are still not 100% recyclable and are not even bring partially recycled so how many landfills will we need to hold all of the waste?

    • Two Bit da Vinci Prove to me right here they are being recycled. I say you are a liar. I researched it myself and none of them have been recycled. In fact the batteries are not even 100% recyclable if they wanted to recycle them. Second do some research on the reality of fossil fuels. We had it right from the beginning. They are the best option for energy. They come from the earth and are 100% natural. Burning them is 100% natural as nature also does it. One volcano eruption gives off more CO2 than we have ever created ourselves. Plants use CO2 so the waste from our energy gets used by the planet. True experts say we could burn even more and be fine. The earth is getting greener from the CO2. True green energy comes from fossil fuels. Solar panels and batteries fill landfills with toxic materials. Go spread the propaganda on someone less educated.

    • Truth lithium ion batteries are being recycled and will continue to be recycled more and more. And they last over 200-300k miles. What’s your level of concern of 100% of gasoline being pollution in our air?

  • Petroglodytes Watch out for Petroglodytes They worship flares at methane pipes Belching gas fumes days and nights Hate when kids demand their rights Petroglodytes like warming seas Big mosquitoes in the breeze Asking questions such as these: ‘May I have more fungi please?’ Petroglodytes do not like trees They work at oil refineries Their mamas found them hard to please Rarely bathe and most have fleas Petroglodyte you’ve had your day Earn your keep some other way Must you pollute - I say thee nay Take your oil and go away -joey racano

  • I helped build them, Models S,3,X. Challenging at times, 12hrs, graveyard shift, 3½yrs. I've dropped the tack time 36sec to MOT line at 4 stations east and west sides 10 and 20. Then I continued to Chassis1 40e, 30w,30e and 40w the install of front and rear chassis. Tough stations.

    • wow that's awesome, we'd love to hear more from you!

  • Welcome to BNN - Bullshit News Network. Seriously, even the compilers of the Bible could learn from this twaddle... Aluminium no problem? What about the part where smelting to iron ingots compared to smelting aluminium uses over 50x more electrical power. So very very ecological. Or the slightly inconvenient fact that cobalt is a metabolic poison? You've skated over so many inconvenient facts that you could probably try out for the Bullshit Olympics. And is that the Royal "we" or the Tesla shill "we". I wouldn't touch a Muskretinwagen with a bargepole. Look up John Cadogan to find out the reality.

  • click bait

  • Lol... You start the video with the question of whether making the batteries is worse for the environment or not. You spent the first 9 minutes apparently building up to an answer... then tell us you don't plan to answer that question in this particular video. Wtf?

  • A lot of millionaires in the world that can afford those EVs.

  • Your conversion from dollars per pound to dollars per kilogram is incorrect

  • When will people learn to recycle and loop energy along with coming up with a sufficient cooling system that literally doesn't need recharging?

  • Reading all these comments, I'm not even going to watch the video. Y'all should just redo it with the correct math and reupload.

  • Hello, I know I'm not part of your intended audience at the age of 70 but I would never want an EV because of charging times, long term durability by which I mean, car not used much, 15 - 20 years old I'd be willing to bet the car would be useless until the battery was changed. Petrol cars, recharge in what maybe 1 to 2 minutes, properly taken care of at 50 years old it would start right up and prob perform almost like it did when new, even in lawn mowers give me petrol because of the quick refill.! Batteries always go bad even when not used! I worked for a major power tool mfg for 40 years until I retired and now have many products around the house that need new batteries that cost too much to be considered.

  • "The truth about" = instantly insinuating they are fake somehow... lol I can't watch such a clickbait

    • The video is more of response to several other videos on RU-tv about the subject. This author hopes to present his version based on data and fact he has established with the data.

    • Hehe yes. Not the best title.

  • If it's so god damn abundant? Why do they tell us it's only in 2 countries and AFRICA being the most "ABUNDANT"?

  • Crustal abundance is a sure sign of mineral commodity ignorance. It is totally meaningless in the context of natural and in some cases industrial byproduct enrichment. Phd